EDITOR -- review PJM commentary-- on truth--
also recomend that you review psalms
Psalm 1 (New King James Version) - Bible Gateway
1 Blessed is the man. Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful; 2 But his delight is in the ...
roman catholic religious deception-- and ceremony-- with PJM
1. Truth
Nothing else would matter about ????? if it weren’t true.
But it is our firm belief as ????????? that it is true.
And, indeed, I believe that the historical case for the ????????is virtually irrefutable, as irrefutable as it was to JESUS. And there is something else.
We know that the HOLY SPIRIT affirms that its members and servants are all subject to original sin.
But while men might falter, the teaching of the HOLY SPIRIT does not.
New International Version
Proverbs 23:23
1..Buy the truth and do not sell it-- wisdom, instruction and insight as well.
New Living Translation
2.Get the truth and never sell it; also get wisdom, discipline, and good judgment.
English Standard Version
3.Buy truth, and do not sell it; buy wisdom, instruction, and understanding.
New American Standard Bible
4.Buy truth, and do not sell it, Get wisdom and instruction and understanding.
King James Bible
5. Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
1 Samuel 10
New International Version (NIV)
10 Then Samuel took a flask of olive oil and poured it on Saul’s head and kissed him, saying,
“Has not the Lord anointed you ruler over his inheritance?[a]
2 When you leave me today, you will meet two men near Rachel’s tomb, at Zelzah on the border of Benjamin. They will say to you, ‘The donkeys you set out to look for have been found. And now your father has stopped thinking about them and is worried about you. He is asking, “What shall I do about my son?”’
3 “Then you will go on from there until you reach the great tree of Tabor. Three men going up to worship God at Bethel will meet you there. One will be carrying three young goats, another three loaves of bread, and another a skin of wine. 4 They will greet you and offer you two loaves of bread, which you will accept from them.
5 “After that you will go to Gibeah of God, where there is a Philistine outpost. As you approach the town, you will meet a procession of prophets coming down from the high place with lyres, timbrels, pipes and harps being played before them, and they will be prophesying. 6 The Spirit of the Lord will come powerfully upon you, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person. 7 Once these signs are fulfilled, do whatever your hand finds to do, for God is with you.
8 “Go down ahead of me to Gilgal. I will surely come down to you to sacrifice burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, but you must wait seven days until I come to you and tell you what you are to do.”
Saul Made King
9 As Saul turned to leave Samuel, God changed Saul’s heart, and all these signs were fulfilled that day.
10 When he and his servant arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him;
the Spirit of God came powerfully upon him, and he joined in their prophesying.
11 When all those who had formerly known him saw him prophesying with the prophets, they asked each other, “What is this that has happened to the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?”
12 A man who lived there answered, “And who is their father?”
So it became a saying: “Is Saul also among the prophets?”
13 After Saul stopped prophesying, he went to the high place.
14 Now Saul’s uncle asked him and his servant, “Where have you been?”
“Looking for the donkeys,” he said. “But when we saw they were not to be found, we went to Samuel.”
15 Saul’s uncle said, “Tell me what Samuel said to you.”
16 Saul replied, “He assured us that the donkeys had been found.” But he did not tell his uncle what Samuel had said about the kingship.
Numbers 11; Numbers 29
23 The Lord answered Moses, “Is the Lord’s arm too short? Now you will see whether or not what I say will come true for you.”
24 So Moses went out and told the people what the Lord had said. He brought together seventy of their elders and had them stand around the tent.
25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took some of the power of the Spirit that was on him and put it on the seventy elders.
When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied—but did not do so again.
26 However, two men, whose names were Eldad and Medad, had remained in the camp.
They were listed among the elders, but did not go out to the tent. Yet the Spirit also rested on them, and they prophesied in the camp.
27 A young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.”
28 Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses’ aide since youth, spoke up and said, “Moses, my lord, stop them!”
29 But Moses replied,
“Are you jealous for my sake?
I wish that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!”
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Re: Different religion
She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
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I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
May I ask the age of your friend?
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I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
You are a true friend, first for trying to dissuade her and second for respecting her decision. I assume that you will come to her defense if there is any backlash against her, which is a possibility. I also assume you are in high school, which I personally hated attending; try not to let any social pressures divide you in the coming years and make sure you respect her beliefs and that she respects yours in return. You might need her in the future if you attend college together, many colleges have an anti-Christian atmosphere which is allowed to continue and continue unabated, I know I attend one. If this is the case she could return the favors you will be bestowing on her now. Good luck and may God bless you both.
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It might be useful for you to learn more about what she is looking into and why…Obviously she is looking for something that “fits her’ and may not realize that it could very well exist within the Church.
You might ask her what her “ideal” spirituality would be (what “fits” her) and if you posted it here – or in a new thread – I’m sure that the good people here could point you and her to great spiritual reading and spiritual paths that would give her a great deal to think about and consider….(Catholics believe that???)(Catholic saints did that???)
James
thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
Mar 8, ’13, 11:43 am
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thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
Be interested to know the source for the 1296 number. Just out of curiosity.
James
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=ThePerson;10440267]She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
God permits us to choose hell just as he permits one conditionally to choose heaven.
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thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
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=guanophore;10466597]I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
[quote]Originally Posted by 1answer
thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
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[quote=PJM;10469140][quote]Originally Posted by 1answer
thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
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Darn i guess my copy of the baltimore catechism must be wrong– so thanks for the update on the number or ordanaces
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Re: Different religion
Originally Posted by ThePerson
I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
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=1toolbox;10548833]Originally Posted by ThePerson
I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
[caps for emphasis not shouting]
TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.
Founded only His One Church
& w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.
Amen
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thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
Only 1276?
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My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism…. she has made up her mind…. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church?
It is no longer possible to formally defect from the Catholic Church. If she starts practicing another religion, she simply starts practicing another religion.
we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that.
If attendance is obligatory for students, including non-Catholic students, she should probably continue to attend. While there, she does not have to do anything that would violate her religion or conscience. If she is practicing another religion, she should no longer receive the Eucharist.
if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again?
No. She would go to the sacrament of reconciliation.
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Mar 31, ’13, 2:10 pm
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Re: Different religion
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OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
[caps for emphasis not shouting]
TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.
Founded only His One Church
& w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.
Amen
hello i would like to know the commentary you are referring to on Hebrews 6, as i have not seen that use of these verses used to justify the sacraments
Mar 31, ’13, 3:09 pm
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OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
[caps for emphasis not shouting]
Founded only His One Church
& w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.
Amen
Heb. 6: 2-8
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Re: Different religion
She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
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Originally Posted by ThePerson
I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
May I ask the age of your friend?
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Re: Different religion
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Originally Posted by ThePerson
I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
You are a true friend, first for trying to dissuade her and second for respecting her decision. I assume that you will come to her defense if there is any backlash against her, which is a possibility. I also assume you are in high school, which I personally hated attending; try not to let any social pressures divide you in the coming years and make sure you respect her beliefs and that she respects yours in return. You might need her in the future if you attend college together, many colleges have an anti-Christian atmosphere which is allowed to continue and continue unabated, I know I attend one. If this is the case she could return the favors you will be bestowing on her now. Good luck and may God bless you both.
Mar 8, ’13, 10:09 am
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It might be useful for you to learn more about what she is looking into and why…Obviously she is looking for something that “fits her’ and may not realize that it could very well exist within the Church.
You might ask her what her “ideal” spirituality would be (what “fits” her) and if you posted it here – or in a new thread – I’m sure that the good people here could point you and her to great spiritual reading and spiritual paths that would give her a great deal to think about and consider….(Catholics believe that???)(Catholic saints did that???)
James
thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
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Originally Posted by 1answer
thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
Be interested to know the source for the 1296 number. Just out of curiosity.
James
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Mar 8, ’13, 2:59 pm
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=ThePerson;10440267]She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
God permits us to choose hell just as he permits one conditionally to choose heaven.
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thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
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=guanophore;10466597]I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
[quote]Originally Posted by 1answer
thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
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[quote=PJM;10469140][quote]Originally Posted by 1answer
thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
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Darn i guess my copy of the baltimore catechism must be wrong– so thanks for the update on the number or ordanaces
Mar 28, ’13, 9:14 am
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Re: Different religion
Originally Posted by ThePerson
I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
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=1toolbox;10548833]Originally Posted by ThePerson
I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
[caps for emphasis not shouting]
TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.
Founded only His One Church
& w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.
Amen
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My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism…. she has made up